Could anyone share with me some historical information about the brand Nordheimer? I saw a Nordheimer grand from about 1930 (didn't play it yet) and I would like to know about the status of this brand during this era. A friend of mine also has a Nordheimer grand and I am sure she would like to know too. I would actually be curious to know when (if at all) Nordheimer made good quality pianos. I noticed that in Larry Fine's piano buyer on page 48 he doesn't list Nordheimer as a brand notable for considering in terms of older higher quality pianos from the past (the early 20th century) and I would like to know if there is a reason for this. Did Nordheimer build good pianos?
Would anyone know which serial numbers might be good to look for? Thank you, Mike (ad) Piano & Music Accessories Re: Nordheimer. Any information about this brand? 12/17/09 06:12 PM 12/17/09 06:12 PM Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,730. Thank you Rod, I found another relevant paragraph of information about Nordheimer pianos and a change in the production of these pianos that may have occured in 1927: Theodore Heintzman's nephew, Gerhard Heintzman, was also a piano maker, and when Gerhart died in 1926, Heintzman & Co. Continued to operate Gerhard company for several years.
In later years they also produced pianos under the Gerhard Heintzman brand. In the 1920s (mikes note: 1927), when many Canadian piano manufacturers were struggling, Heintzman & Co. Also took over the Nordheimer Piano Co, and in later years produced pianos under the Nordheimer name. Over the years, Heintzman produced pianos were sold under several brands names, and Heintzman also sold pianos produced for them by other piano manufacturers. Heintzman's top pianos were produced under the 'Heintzman & Company' brand, with the 'Gerhard Heintzman' brand being next, then the 'Nordheimer' brand. Brands that were produced for them, and sold with a 'From Heintzman & Company' decal were Gerhard, Weber, Stevenson. And so, if this information is correct, I suppose one would conclude that after 1927, the Nordheimer piano was not the best piano that Heintzman made - its quality level was two steps below 'Heintzman & Company' brand pianos.
Here's a summary of what I think can be concluded from the above quote from wikipeida: 'Nordheimer' name brand: before 1927: of the highest quality after 1927: 'Heintzman & Company' brand pianos: best quality pianos 'Gerhard Heintzman' brand pianos: second-best level of quality pianos 'Nordheimer' brand: the third-best level of quality. Is my conclusion incorrect? Do you find this to be the case Rod, that Nordheimer's built before 1927 are better quality than those built after 1927? Or do you find that all Nordheimer's where built to top-quality standards regardless of the year they were built?
Second related question: When considering Heintzman or Nordheimer pianos from the earlier part of the 20th century is 1927 an important date to be aware? Best to find one made before 1927) Or are all Heintzman and Nordheimer pianos, no matter what date they were made, generally considered to be of excellent quality? Thank you Re: Nordheimer. Any information about this brand? 12/19/09 10:22 AM 12/19/09 10:22 AM Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,263. Hello Mike, Nice to have a chat with you on the phone the other day.
The Heintzman & Co. Line of instruments were usually the uprights and grand’s produced with the patented agraffe bridge. This was a very expensive way to cast a piano plate, and then drill each hole at 7 degrees off TDC. Here are some samples photos of this bridge. The Gerhard/ Nordheimer lines were manufactured in the traditional way, with the nickel plated pressure bar, instead of the casted agraffe bar.
Also, these two lines would not have been fitted with the upright sostenuto assembly. So think of it like these two lines did not have all the options that the Heintzman & Co. The production values would have been the same; it would have been the same workforce that built the instruments.
I have a Nordheimer grand here from 1943, and the quality of build is the same as the 20’s. The quality of piano building in Canada began to drop in the 50’s with the influx of the first Japanese instruments to land here. It is always nice to find an A & S Nordheimer, (made by the two brothers Albert and Samuel), but these are a rare commodity now-a-days. This was a very early company (1844).
Nordheimer is the oldest name in Canadian music history. Gerhard Heintzman, who was originally a cabinet maker that switched over, there is not much known about him, even from the remaining members of the Heintzman family that I know.
Once you know the name brand of your piano, you will need to find the serial number. Step 1: The serial number is usually found on the plate of the piano between the bass and tenor strings. It can also be found on the top of the piano when you open the lid on Upright Pianos. You are looking for a number like those shown here.
Serial Numbers on Upright Pianos Serial Numbers on Grand Pianos These are usually found on the “Plate” near the tuning pins between the bass and tenor sections as shown below.
★★★★★ Highly Accurate & Reliable. Data confirmed by manufacturer and/or multiple dependable sources. A specific year is always provided. ★★★★☆ Accurate & Reliable. Data confirmed by manufacturer and/or multiple sources. These results come with one minor note of consideration.
Steinway Piano Serial Number
★★★☆☆ A little less Accurate but still Reliable. Data may only return a broad date range and/or come with two considerations affecting reliability. ★★☆☆☆ Much less Accurate & Reliable. Data may only provide a broad date range and/or inconsistencies with data may hinder a reliable outcome.
★☆☆☆☆ Inaccurate & Unreliable. Data has not been confirmed or has several inconsistencies that produce unreliable results. Due to the vast number of Pianos manufactured over the past 150 years, we’ve limited our selection to well-known Brands with clear data available from multiple sources. To find out how old your piano is, we suggest you contact your local Piano Tuner who would most likely own a Piano Atlas detailing Piano Dates and Serial Numbers from hundreds of Brands. Failing this, there are several online companies that offer a paid service to supply detailed Piano reports including manufacturers History and the Pianos age. Often serial numbers are well hidden or difficult to read, and in some cases completely missing. Even if you find a serial number, many piano manufactures have little or no info available on when pianos were made.
If you’d like to find out more about your piano, we recommend contacting your local Piano Tuner and schedule your next Piano Service. An experienced Piano Tuner can provide excellent insights on the pianos age based on various aspects; the type and style of mechanics used, the body shape and design, the condition of the instrument as well as inscriptions and markings found throughout the piano. Yes, but there is no fixed formula that connects the age of your piano with a specific value.
Several factors are considered when valuing the monetary worth of a second-hand piano including condition, quality, tone size, brand etc. A clear rule of thumb is simply that “older” does not equate to “more valuable” Because unlike a piece of furniture, a piano is only valued on it’s instrument worth (how does it sound, respond and perform etc) and holds no “antique” value. For this reason it’s considered that generally speaking a newer piano would be in better condition and therefore play better and be worth more than it’s older equivalent.
Jacob Brothers from 1921 according to the link shown: Quoting: I have a Jacob Brothers piano model number 57866 but I can't find any infor. By Guest 5 days ago 9 I have a Jacob Brothers piano model number 57866 but I can't find any infor. I have a Jacob Brothers piano model number 57866 but I can't find any information on it? Anyone know anything regarding this model?
Posted on 4 days ago C. Anthony Guru Blogs: 48 Forum: 16,526 Votes: 420 What type of information do you want? You have the piano in front of you! Specifically what do you want to know? The SN shows 1921 date. Have you tuned it this year?
If the piano will not hold tune to A=440hz, the value would be 0. However, I would think it would hold 440.but I may not. Call your local piano technician to check it fully. CAP This Might Interest You Apr 28, 2018.
The Nordheimer Piano & Organ Company was established by brothers Samuel and Abraham Nordheimer in 1844. The firm was located at 122 King Street, Toronto. For the first 2 decades, the firm worked as importers and retailers of pianos, organs and melodeons. In about 1866 they built their first pianos with much success. The firm continued to grow and flourish during the rest of the 19th Century, building a full line of uprights, squares, and reed organs. In 1886, The Nordheimer Brothers went into partnership with Gerhard Heintzman of Toronto and opened the Lansdowne Piano Company, Ltd.
In 1890, Nordheimer built a new, state-of-the-art factory in East Toronto. In 1927, Heintzman purchased the Nordheimer name and continued to produce Nordheimer pianos until the 1960's. It would appear your serial number relates to the years between 19311932.
Apr 18, 2017. I should write this out to save me keep typing it. Remove the front of the piano and the lid for the keyboard. Remove the middle C key completely.
You may find the manufacture date and its full service history written in pencil on the side of the key. Netzow Piano Co. Brand Name: Netzow Piano Co. Parent company: Netzow Piano Co. Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Serial Numbers Available: yes First date listed: 1904 Last date listed: 1931 Other brands: Answer Hi Robyn: serial 10305 This was one of the original pianos made by this company in 1904. The serial number is the determining factor in telling a piano's age.
The worth rests on the piano's viability, configuration, and age. Old uprights are generally worth little, especially if they are not serviceable. The furniture value is secondary. If your piano is in perfect condition, inside and out, the value would top out around 200.00, USD.
What you have there is a typical upright piano, which more than likely has more furniture value than instrument value. Age is not good in the piano world and pianos deteriorate year by year whether they are played or not. Are you using this piece as furniture, or instrument? 3 years y ago #3 jim H.
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Guest I have a Netzow upright #41459. What is the manufacture date?
Made in 1913. Feb 07, 2016.
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Heintzman & Co. The Canadian Encyclopedia (accessed August 19, 2018). While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Please refer to the appropriate style manual or other sources if you have any questions. Heintzman & Co. Heintzman & Co. Piano manufacturing and retailing business based in Toronto 1866-1978 and relocated in Hanover, Ont, 1978-86 under the amended name Heintzman Ltd.
It was founded by Theodore August Heintzman (b Theodor August Heintzmann, Berlin, 19 May 1817, naturalized Canadian 1886, d Toronto 25 Jul 1899) who had been apprenticed to the piano-building trade about 1831. It is not likely that Heintzman spent all his Berlin years in the piano trade, for various biographical sketches refer to him as a machinist, an instrument-maker, and a cabinet-maker, and one source even claims that he drew the patterns for the first locomotive built in his native city. All these skills must have been of benefit to the future piano builder. As a result of the political troubles of 1848 the family of Heintzman's wife went to New York, and the young couple followed in 1850. For some time Heintzman worked for the piano makers Lighte & Newton. The story that he worked in the same factory as Henry E.
Steinway is not confirmed, but it is true that the two Germans who were to establish the most famous piano firms in Canada and the USA respectively both arrived in North America in the same year. From New York Heintzman in 1852 went to Buffalo, where he worked for the Keogh Piano Co. He then entered the partnership of Drew, Heintzman & Annowski. A square piano built by this firm ca 1854 was still in the possession of Heintzman Ltd in 1980. In Buffalo Heintzman was associated with the Western Piano Co, which may have been an alternative name for Drew, Heintzman & Annowski and which failed in 1857.
Heintzman stayed in Buffalo until the political unrest preceding the Civil War and an invitation from the Canadian piano builder John Thomas caused him to move to Toronto in 1860. He is said to have built his first Canadian piano that year in a Toronto kitchen, to have sold it immediately, and to have continued and enlarged his business with the proceeds.
However, the city directories for 1862-5 list Heintzman as working for the Thomas Piano Co at 86 York St. The year often given as the official founding date of the company - 1860 - appears to be justified as the starting point of Heintzman's private piano building in Toronto (probably at his home at 73 Queen St W), but the company was incorporated only in May 1866, with the financial and managerial help of Heintzman's son-in-law, Charles Bender, a prosperous tobacconist. (In 1873 the firm advertised that it had 'commenced business 12 years ago'.) Heintzman's first factory - as distinct from workshops at his residence - was opened at 23 Duke St, but by May 1868 it had been relocated at 105 King St W (where it soon employed 12 hands and began turning out more than 60 pianos a year), and by 1873 it had moved down the street to 115-17 where there was space for factory, offices, and sales rooms. That year the company offered eight models of square pianos and one upright or 'cabinet' grand, its most expensive piano. Bender retired in 1875 and died two years later, but the enterprise continued to grow. (A grandson of Bender and a great-grandson of Heintzman, Charles Bender, b 1899, was to be general manager of the company until the mid-1950s.) In 1876 the young company won awards at the Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition, and by 1879 it had built nearly 1000 instruments. In that year, too, Heintzman exhibited for the first time at the Toronto Industrial Exhibition.
By 1884 nearly 2000 pianos had been manufactured, and in 1888 a new factory was built in the Junction district of Toronto. The King St premises were retained as sales rooms and warehouse. As a result, production was able to rise from an annual 500 pianos during the 1880s to about 1000 in the 1890s and 2140 in 1906.
The trade mark 'Heintzman & Co'. Was acquired in 1888. Unlike some of his competitors Heintzman aimed at high-quality rather than low-cost instruments.
He was able to establish and maintain a high reputation from the beginning. Grand pianos were introduced about 1886, and two years later one was demonstrated before Queen Victoria at Albert Hall in London, winning the monarch's praise and thus helping to pave the way for an export trade. As early as 1867 Heintzman advertised its instruments as 'full Agraffe Bar Pianos,' referring to a transverse metal bridge across the cast-iron frame which helps to keep the strings from slipping and makes the tone more even. The agraffe had been introduced in 1809 by Sebastien Erard in Paris, but Heintzman effected some improvements, obtaining Canadian patents in 1873, 1882, and 1896. After the founder's death in 1899 his son George C.
Heintzman (1860-1944), who had been superintendent and general manager since 1885, became president, although other sons - Herman (1852-?), William F. (1856-?), and Charles Theodore (1864-97) - all joined the family business. Early in the years of George C.
Heintzman's presidency the first branches were opened, and a 'quarter-grand' piano (1.7 m) was introduced in 1905. The sales and office headquarters at 195 Yonge St, Toronto, which were to remain the nerve centre of the firm until 1971, were occupied in January 1911, at which time the staff, including office personnel and travelling salesmen, numbered about 400.
Besides its main lines, Heintzman manufactured player-pianos (grand and upright, manual and electric) until the 1920s. After the temporary drop in business during World War I demand returned sharply in the 1920s.
Prison break saison 1 french torrent cpasbien. At the beginning of that decade about 3000 Heintzman pianos were sold annually. There were 18 branch stores and 13 distributors, from coast to coast, and the export trade was significant. Two competing companies were acquired when their heads retired in 1927: that of Theodore August's nephew Gerhard, and the Piano & Music Co.
The effects of the Depression on piano sales, however, were severe; only 200 Heintzman pianos were built in 1934. To broaden the base of its operations the company introduced the sale of sheet music, phonographs and records, Hammond organs, and other instruments - and eventually non-musical household appliances - in all its branches.
Under the presidency 1942-56 of George C. Heintzman's son George Bradford (1892-1961) there were 7 branches and 40 agencies, but pianos accounted for less than half of the sales, averaging about 900 annually at the beginning of the 1950s. In 1956 Edward L. Baker, a former comptroller of Canadian Breweries Ltd, was appointed president, the first not to be a member of the family. However, Herman Heintzman (b Toronto 1922, d 1969), a great-grandson of Theodore, owned a controlling interest in the company and was a vice-president, and other family members continued to occupy key positions: Bradford Craig Heintzman was sales manager until 1968, and William D.
Heintzman (b Toronto 17 May 1923, d Toronto 16 Nov 2008) was factory manager until 1964. In the latter half of the 1950s the annual production of pianos was about 1000.
Baker dropped the side lines (such as sheet music and hi-fi equipment) and restored the operations to their original scope, emphasizing the manufacture and sales of pianos, although the sale of electronic organs was continued. Baker increased the number of branches from 9 to 16 and introduced more aggressive sales methods.
In 1960 production was about 1450 upright and 50 grand pianos. In 1962 an up-to-date factory (supposed to be the first built in Canada in the 20th century, but more likely the first after World War I) was built in Hanover, replacing the Toronto Junction plant, although the building of grand pianos continued until 1977 at a Don Mills (Toronto) location, and was moved only in 1978 to Hanover. The Hanover plant was enlarged in 1967, giving it a potential capacity for an annual production of 5000 pianos.
Heintzman acquired D.M. Best and Co Ltd in 1973 and continued to operate it as a subsidiary. Baker remained president until 1969; after a period of litigation Ann Heintzman (widow of the former vice-president, Herman, who had died in 1969) became president. Meanwhile, another great-grandson of the company's founder, William D. Heintzman, had become president of the and in 1978 a merger of Heintzman and Sherlock-Manning under William's presidency was announced, the name Heintzman Limited was adopted, and headquarters were moved to Hanover, Ont. (The Don Mills plant, which had become the company's head office in 1971, was sold in 1976, although the head office continued to be located in Don Mills until 1978.) The new company continued to produce instruments under both names, with the Heintzman grand piano the top line. All branch stores were sold in 1976, but some dealerships retained the name as agents of the company.
Music publishing has been a marginal activity of the company, based on copyrights taken over from Nordheimer (eg, the Canadian edition of Paderewski's Minuet, some TCM graded examination books, and a few pieces by ). A Heintzman & Co. Waltz was written under a pseudonym by J.B.
Glionna in 1899; there is also a Heintzman & Co. March (no date) by H. Zickel, and another (no date) by S. A Heintzman Piano Company Band was active in the 1880s and 1890s.
Under the direction of until 1892, it had 40 to 45 players, played at Hanlan's Point (one of the Toronto Islands) during summer evenings, and visited the Montreal Exposition in September 1891. It is reasonable to assume that the serial numbers of Heintzman pianos began at 1000. A few benchmark numbers follow: 1867. 93,060 In 1980 Heintzman grand pianos were numbered in the 200,000 series, uprights in the 165,700 series. The production of uprights had ceased in 1979, but was resumed later.
Apart from the Drew-Heintzman & Annowski instrument and an 1874 specimen owned by the company, early Heintzmans may be seen at the Glenbow-Alberta Institute in Calgary and at the Western Development Museum, Yorkton, Sask. Members of the Heintzman family (whose fifth generation continued to be involved directly in the company until 1981) have been continuously active in the encouragement and support of musical organizations and activities in Toronto as well as in business-related organizations. In May 1979 the Historical Sites and Monuments Board of Canada erected a memorial plaque to Theodore Heintzman at the First Lutheran Church, Bond St, Toronto. In January 1981 Heintzman Ltd was sold by the family to Sklar-Peppler Inc. Of Hanover, Ont, and was operated by Sklar-Peppler as a subsidiary under the Heintzman Ltd name; it redesigned, rescaled and re-engineered both upright and grand pianos, and by 1985 750 uprights and 40-50 grands were produced annually.
In 1986 The Music Stand, an Oakville-based franchise music retail chain, purchased from Sklar-Peppler (who retained the Hanover factory.property) the patents and trademarks of Heintzman Ltd., as well as the remaining inventory, which it marketed. However in 1990 a Federal Court judge ruled that it could not place the Heintzman nameplate on pianos built in South Korea and the USA, which it imported for sale in Canada. Suggested Reading. The Commemorative Biographical Record of the County of York (Toronto 1907) Porter, McKenzie. 'The piano with the all-Canadian tone,' Maclean's, 11 May 1957 Harbron, John D. 'At Heintzman hustle replaces history,' Executive, May 1961 Gibson, Paul.
'Soon play Yankee Doodle on Heintzman & Co. Pianos,' Financial Post, 19 Sep 1964 Jones, Donald. 'Heintzman's old house enduring as his pianos,' Toronto Star, 10 Apr 1976 Harper, Tim. 'The Heintzman family: 110,000 pianos later,' Fugue, Sep 1977 Swimmings, Betty. 'Piano firm remains a family affair,' Ottawa Citizen, 6 Oct 1979 Dewey, Martin. 'Heintzman piano firm has played its part for 120 good and bad years,' Toronto Globe and Mail, 14 Apr 1980 Finlayson, Ann. 'They shoot piano-makers, don't they?'
Maclean's, 3 Nov 1980 Gould, Malcom. 'Heintzman Pianos,' Canadian Music Trade, Apr-May 1985 Freeman, Alan. 'Judge rules against Korean Heintzmans,' Toronto Globe & Mail, 22 Nov 1990 Kelly, Wayne. Downright Upright: A History of the Canadian Piano Industry (Toronto 1991) DCB, vol 12 Recommended Your friends are reading.
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